Posted by rflacks on: February 09 2010
Mickey and I participated in a Smithsonian sponsored tour of Vietnam and Cambodia from January 9-27. We keep getting asked about what we saw and felt, so we'll share some of that here. Be mindful that we are tourists, rather than ‘experts', and, since this was our only trip to Southeast Asia, we have no good points in space or time for comparison. We did of course have our memories and expectations from the war time and these provided some ways to frame what we were seeing. Our tour group numbered 23, and in Vietnam we had the pleasure and benefit of an exceedingly knowledgeable and independent minded young guide, whose family has lived in Hanoi for 6 generations. He was born after the American war, but had a rich and detailed knowledge of that history. Our guides in Cambodia had experienced as children the traumas of war, and Khmer Rouge .
Some impressions:
The war was more absurd than we ever thought. You can't spend any time ‘in country' without seeing immediately the folly of the war planners in imagining that the US could conquer this land and these people. Their history of resistance to imperial invasion is essential to their national identity. Their readiness to follow and to love Uncle Ho is evident. Two million Vietnamese died and, absurdly enough, the country is now organized to participate actively in the global economy, to encourage entrepreneurship and ‘free enterprise' and to welcome foreign investment. Ho's dream of a unified, independent Vietnam was accomplished, but capitalism defines the economy and everyday life.
The war and its "remnants" are integral to the tourist experience. In Hanoi, we're taken to the "Hanoi Hilton" where John McCain and dozens of other captured pilots were kept. We learn something new: this prison had been used by the French colonial regime as a torture chamber for Vietnamese resisters and that story is graphically displayed. We visit Ho Chi Minh's tomb where his body is on display. And we view the modest place where he lived and worked. Our guide stresses this: Ho was a nationalist more than a communist. In fact, he opposed but could not prevent the mistakes made by the communist regime in the war and the postwar. There's no doubt that Ho is the national symbol of Vietnam. Our guide believes that after WWII Ho had hoped to ally with the US, not expecting the US to take over France's colon ial mantle. (Our guide tells a story: Ho Chi Minh was invited by Stalin to the Kremlin. He is invited to sit; two chairs are available. Stalin says one is for a Communist, the other for a Nationalist. "I prefer to stand", says Uncle Ho.)
In Saigon, we go to the Presidential Palace-the place from which Thieu and company escaped when the war ended. The "War Remnants'\ Museum" graphically details the impacts of the war on the Vietnamese people, and includes a brief but underplayed display about the antiwar movement. More attention is given to worldwide Communist-led opposition to the US war than to the American (non-Communist) resistance. And of course we're taken to the Cu Chi tunnels, one of the most ingenious and effective acts of resistance to foreign occupation in world history-an underground city used as a base for guerrilla activity, and a means for trapping the invader forces. A single vignette of our day at Cu Chi speaks volumes about our experience: in the morning we crawled around in the dark, historic tunnels; in the afternoon we were swimming in the 15th floor rooftop pool of the Sofitel Saigon.
The resilience and adaptability of Vietnamese in the past and present is astonishing. The traumas of war and of the post war economic collapse are hardly forgotten, but it's a society geared to living in the present and the future. You can see Vietnamese adaptability when you visit the villages and markets that for generations have lived on the water in places like Ha Long bay and of course the Mekong river. Long traditions of everyday economic practice sustain a daily life in the countryside in often difficult physical circumstances. The Communist Party regime restored the ownership of rice fields to the farmers (ending disastrous efforts at collective farming ) in the 90s. Now Vietnam is the world's second largest exporter of rice; vegetables and fruits in abundance are marketed everywhere. Traveling the Mekong River was a moving experience as images of the wartime past and a dynamic peacetime present flowed past - the former,in our minds, the latter, on the gentle river currents.
Meanwhile in the villages, in the big cities and their suburbs, hundreds of thousands of small shops selling every kind of commodity crowd the thoroughfares. Vietnam has become a nation of shopkeepers; every shopkeeping family lives above the ground level store in a narrow residence in various stages of ramshackleness. There's a TV set in every residence (including in the houseboats on rivers and lakes), and at least one motorbike for each person who needs to commute to work, or to urban markets to get products wholesale to bring home to sell in the village and the neighborhood.
There are none of the shantytowns characteristic of the "3rd world". Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City are very crowded, and all social services in those cities are strained by in migration. There is nothing we've experienced that compares to the incredible swarming of motorbikes at rush hour in the big cities; these bike rivers are governed by no evident laws or rules (but obviously everyone in the stream knows how to navigate). Many bikers may be wishing for a car, but should that become possible, the result would be the total strangulation of the cities. Meanwhile, Vietnamese taxes make cars cost triple their market value. There is a growing number of people who seem able to afford this. Yet the poverty of the many is evident in the condition of housing, in the numbers of children hawking trinkets in the street.
The Party rules. Vietnam remains a one party dictatorship. During our time there four dissidents were on trial for advocating creation of a new party. If they did this, they were violating articles of the constitution that criminalize such advocacy. As in China, Vietnam's CP has enabled an open market economy . We were surprised to learn that there is not universal health care. Education is free but access to higher education depends on highly competitive exams.
Vietnam is by no means a police state. People seem unafraid to express themselves in personal conversation; public, organized political action is restricted-but organized protest regularly occurs. The big issue may well be "corruption"-that is, the routine requirement that you pay under the table for all kinds of services (including hospital care). Paradoxically, service to tourists is offered with warmth and exceptional grace and without evident expectation of tips.
It appears that the Party's goals with respect to development are popular. Vietnam's prospects seem promising in terms of economic growth and living standards. We had no access to economic zones so can't speak about conditions of work in the factories serving the global market-but our guide believes these provide good jobs, more desirable than working in the locally owned economy. The burgeoning tourist sector seems crucial. Notably, China Beach is being developed as a world class resort destination. The USMC airbase there is slated to become a golf course.
Cambodia. We spent a couple of days in Cambodia. We went, of course, to Angkor Wat, rapidly becoming one of the world's most important tourist accesses to ancient civilization and culture. But, as in Vietnam, the tourist experience must include first-hand contact with the horrors of recent history. We were taken to the "genocide museum", a school the Khmer Rouge used to imprison and torture tens of thousands in Phnom Penh. The buildings are as they were, with narrow cells, barred windows and a cold gloom. The space is filled with thousands of photos of those incarcerated there, since the Khmer rouge photographed each person who was admitted. Thousands of children's and teenagers' faces. Hundreds of their skulls in glass cabinets. One of the few survivors was an artist whose paintings, depicting scenes of torture are displayed. One depicts water boarding. We meet a man whom our guide recognizes-another survivor of this place, who talks about his experience. As does our guide, who was taken from his family at age7 and inducted into the Khmer Rouge. His story of escape and salvation was extraordinary to us, but maybe typical of his generation.
Cambodia seems much more fragile than Vietnam. NGOs are crucial in enabling services and promoting development. But, as in Vietnam, the resilience of the people astonishes.
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See my last post for a couple of images from our trip.
Dick and Mickey
11 Comments:
Comment by toni s. on February 09 2010
Are you saying that the Vietnamese people have moved past resentment and recrimination toward the US and US citizens? I have heard that they are very welcoming. Is there any lingering anger among the elderly population who experienced the war years? Are there any religious or economic underpinnings to their desire and ability to look forward?
Comment by Dennis C. McCornac on February 09 2010
Your statement "The war and its "remnants" are integral to the tourist experience." is only true for those who want it to be. The Vietnamese have been past the war for a long time now. Keep in mind that most of the people in VN were not even alive during the war. Americans still think everything is about them and tourist reports like this just keep perpetuating that view.
Comment by marty Miller on February 09 2010
As a American who has traveled through out Vietnam, I find the Vietnamese very friendly with no lingering anger or mistrust. I remember many years ago (5-6) I was in a small village about 1 hour north west of Da Nang, an after I had walked away from buying a coke the women vendor left her small stall and ran after me to give me a straw. I cried over this simple act of kindness.
Comment by Jin Kazama on February 09 2010
Vietnamese are cruel racist people of Indochina Region. You have been fools to see kindness in their heart. Of course they will confront foreigner in kind. Kind equal money. Foreigner equal much money. Do no let these people fool you they are untrusted by many .. to learn the truth you must dig up the truth. Learn the history of savagery of the Youn people before you write a misleading paper about the savages who ransack the south.
Comment by BaekToiSung on February 09 2010
The Truth about Viet or Youn BE AWARE OF THEIR FALSE KINDNESS Mrs. Try Chhoun indicated, Thorn, a 24-year-old Cambodian man form Koh Chamkar village, Boeung Sala Thbong commune, Kampong Trach district, Kampot province, rode his bicycle daily to work as a construction laborer in Vietnam. On 07 January, when Thorn and several of his friends returned home at around 10 PM, he was involved in a traffic accident along a road in Hatien district, Kien Giang province when a motorcycle driven by a Viet hit and smashed his bicycle. Following the accident, several Viets started to chase the Cambodian workers. At that time, Thorn and his friends started to carry the bike on their back and fled the scene, but they got dispersed during the pursuit. When the workers arrived home back in Cambodia, Thorn was nowhere to be found. Last Saturday, Thorn’s body was found floating on water. His body was found by Viet villagers and medics. His front teeth were all broken, the back of his neck bore a black bruise, and other bruises can also be seen on his chest. Un Khet, the Sala Khang Tbong commune chief, indicated that he is also pushing for a resolution in this case: “Right now the Viets and the Cambodians are negotiating with each other on this case. They are discussing with each other on this case. I am looking into the cause of this [death] case also.” Another Cambodian villager from Thorn’s village indicated that Thorn was surely killed by the Viets. He called on the Cambodian authority to protect Cambodian citizens: “I am asking all levels of authority, in particular, the leaders of both Cambodia and Vietnam to do anything they can to protect and provide justice to the innocent and the poor.” It should be noted also that, last year, a Cambodian fishery official was also killed by Viet soldiers when he was arresting Viet fishermen who came to catch fish in Cambodian waters. Up until now, no resolution has been heard in this second case at all.
Comment by Jin Kazama on February 09 2010
Vietnamese true color. Report of the Review of Commonwealth Law Enforcement Arrangements stated in relation to involvement of Vietnamese groups: 4.60 During the past ten years a number of Vietnamese criminal groups have come to law enforcement attention in Australia. In some States, these groups have come to play a prominent role in the organisation of criminal activity. Their field of operations has included distributing heroin, organising extortion and illegal gambling operations, and undertaking armed robberies of both businesses and private homes. 4.61 At the same time, it has become apparent that a number of these Vietnamese groups are organising heroin shipments, either independently of or in association with established Chinese heroin trafficking operations. An increasing amount of heroin coming to Australia appears to have been transhipped through Vietnam. 4.62 These trends are most notable in Sydney and particularly in the Cabramatta district, where one such gang has the name '5T' - a reference to a tattoo worn by some members. This gang has become prominent in the distribution of very pure heroin in the district, but also in systematic extortion, home invasion robberies and other offences. Its members are frequently armed, either with knives or firearms. There are indications that the group is extending its operations outside Sydney.
Comment by Michael Chester on February 09 2010
Dick, Amazing. There is so much history between Vietnam and Cambodia. I won't say good or bad, just History. Hopefully, one day each country of the world will see that fear and scarcity is built into global capitalism and will reject it. I don't know what for but I do know there has got to be a better way. Thanks for sharing as always. Please give Mickey a big hug for me. Peace & Blessings, MC
Comment by An Observer on February 10 2010
Poor Vietnamese, look at what they've got from the Cambodians for saving them from extinction from the hands of Khmer Rouge. They've been stabbed in the back as a way of saying thank you!
Comment by Martin Byrne on February 11 2010
It's funny some people love to live with the past. They hate the Vietnamese to death for historical reasons. If the Vietnamese are like them, the Vietnamese will have to hate the Chinese, Japanese, French & American to death! At peace time, they physically and verbally abuse the Vietnamese whenever they have an opportunity. When they have a conflict (ie Preah Vihear temple with Thailand recently) they turn to the Vietnamese for help! The people that they hate to death! They should look at their own history. Who savaged their own race? Who planned to turn Cambodia back to the year ZERO? Who helped them to wipe out the Khmer Rouge? Where were these Cambodians when the Khmer Rouge rampaged Cambodia?
Comment by Becca on February 11 2010
Dear Dick, Interesting report - makes me want to hear more. A couple of questions: Did you visit the War Museum in Hanoi? I remember hearing or reading (from Tom?) that it has an impressive display about our valiant American antiwar movement...What about bicycles in Hanoi? When I was there, it was hordes those quiet beasts that swarmed in controlled chaos...While you were there, did you hear about the mob attack on a Buddhist temple somehwere in Vietnam whose worshippers are disciples of Thich Nhat Han? I was sad & dismayed to hear that the govt apparently condoned and/or paid members of the "official" sanctioned Buddhist group to assault the temple.
Comment by Dick Flacks on February 11 2010
Becca: 1. Bicycles have been totally replaced by motorbikes which swarm similarly but much more noisily--including the incessant sounds of beeping horns. 2. we felt that the US anti-war movement was largely underplayed in the two museums we visited. 3. we didn't hear of this Buddhist situation, but there was a large Catholic protest recently against efforts to displace a Catholic institution. I'm forgetting the details. IN response to Dennis: I doubt that we think it's 'about us'--I was reporting on efforts by our Vietnamese guide to make sure we saw sites relevant to the war. these sites are significant museums that surely exist for Vietnamese to remember as well as tourists. Of course the majority of Vietnamese are undere 30--but I think there's a longstanding interest in remembering history (not just the American war but the much longer history of war and occupation--hundreds of years.